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じぶん/一人で

Postby OlgaD » Tue 06.01.2010 4:48 pm

Hello‼

What is the diffrence between じぶん (自分) and 一人で?

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Re: じぶん/一人で

Postby Hektor6766 » Tue 06.01.2010 11:11 pm

I may be wrong, but I think 一人で has a more solitary connotation, while 自分 is more reflexive in context of what others may be doing.

ある晩甲板の上に出た、一人で星を眺めていたら、…

自分も確かにこれは死ぬなと思った。

自分の姿が鮮に浮かんでいる。(all Soseki)

I hope this is helpful.

But what I'm not sure about is the difference between 自分 and 自身; I'm hoping someone will clarify all for both of us.
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Re: じぶん/一人で

Postby spin13 » Wed 06.02.2010 8:22 am

OlgaD wrote:What is the diffrence between じぶん (自分) and 一人で?

一人 focuses on the number while 自分 focuses on who. Compare them to the English phrases "by yourself" and "yourself," respectively.

Aさん:「やってくれますか?」
Bさん:「いいえ、自分でやってください。」
Person A: Will you do it for me?
Person B: No. Please do it yourself.

Aさん:「一緒にやりましょうか?」
Bさん:「いいえ、一人でやってください。」
Person A: Shall we do it together.
Person B: No. Please do it by yourself. / Please do it alone.

Hektor6766 wrote:But what I'm not sure about is the difference between 自分 and 自身; I'm hoping someone will clarify all for both of us.

自分 can stand alone, whereas 自身 attaches to another noun or pronoun. ~自身 is an emphasizer and is similar to ~自体 and ~そのもの in that they all point to and highlight what comes directly before them. 自身 is used mostly for people, while the latter two are used mostly for objects.

自分 can work with a number of particles but always has the basic meaning of a reflexive pronoun.

自分が見える。
I can see myself. / You can see yourself. / etc.

自分の名前を言ってください。
Please say your own name.

自分でやってみたい。
I want to try and see myself.


私自身 matches fairly well with the English phrase, "I myself."

私自身は見ていないけど、彼にそう言われたら確かにそうだろう。
I haven't seen it myself but if he says so, it must be.


建物自体 matches fairly well with the English phrase, "The building itself."

From 大辞泉: 建物自体はりっぱだが、内装が貧弱だ。
The building itself is magnificent, but the interior design is meager.
You're probably not as smart as you think.
Unskilled and Unaware
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Re: じぶん/一人で

Postby ss » Wed 06.02.2010 9:34 am

You people are just fast, but I'd still like try to respond to this thread.

自分、一人で、自身、自己、自ら all mean "self" or "own".

In most cases, we see 自己紹介 (じこしょうかい)--- "self-introduction" or 自ら名乗る(みずからなのる)--- "introduce oneself", never seen 一人で紹介 and not so sure about 自身紹介 (じしんしょうかい)。
But if you add 自身 to a noun, it forms a compound noun, like 私自身 (I, for one or I, personally), 彼自身 (he himself), 雪さん自身 (Yuki herself), 女性自身紹介 (women introducing themselves), アイデア自身 (the idea itself), 計画自身(the plan itself) .....

自身の意見 - personal opinion
自身の問題 - personal problem

彼は自己の主張が強い。 He has strong opinion of himself.
彼は自己の利益のみを謀る。 He only plots for his own benefits.

I try to keep in mind that 自分で and 一人で are mostly used as an adverb.

自分のことは自分でしなさい。I must look after myself.
自分自身のことは自分でしなさい。I must look after myself.

私は自分で晩ご飯を作った。I cooked dinner by myself.
私は一人で晩ご飯を作った。I cooked dinner all alone.

For questions such as these, I think it's better to try to construct some simple sentences by yourself (because most of the time, decision can only be understood in context; the ideas you're going to present), so that native Japanese or more advanced JP speakers here can help correcting them, the ultimate goal is off course learn how to use them confidently. It takes time to master all, though, it's worth trying.

Good luck studying.
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Re: じぶん/一人で

Postby OlgaD » Mon 06.21.2010 2:43 pm

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP :)
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