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十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

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十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby Aaeru » Thu 08.19.2010 6:54 pm

十分読むにたえる作品だ。
the translation was:
"That book is worth reading"

How にたえる convey the sense of 'worth'? I would normally put that word down for can/can't do or tolerate.


に耐える/に耐えない
Meaning(s): Can't do A, can't stand/tolerate A, Can do A
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Re: 十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby NileCat » Thu 08.19.2010 10:06 pm

This can be a controversial issue.
Common usages are sometimes different from the correct usages.

A. たえる(堪える)
・我慢する。こらえる。 ← EDIT: might not totally correct, sorry
それをするだけの値打ちがある。・・・に値する
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF- ... &dname=0ss

B. たえる(耐える)
・我慢する。こらえる。
・性能・力などがなくならずにある。「まだ使用に耐える」
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF- ... &dname=0na

In your example sentence, the correct kanji is 堪, not 耐.
And also your example definition doesn't seem accurate to me if it doesn't refer to other usages. (e.g. に耐えられない)
However, because the word たえる has the meaning of (B), using 耐 might not be necessarily wrong (like..読むに耐えない...fmm...I personaly find it odd though). In reality, many people use it (without thinking) as if those two are the same.
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Re: 十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby sharon-ra » Fri 08.20.2010 12:15 am

I believe either Kanji seems to fit the bill...
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Re: 十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby sharon-ra » Fri 08.20.2010 12:33 am

Sorry - I had just woken up and posted without thinking too hard - That was an interesting website you showed Nilecat - thanks for the info :lol:
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Re: 十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby Aaeru » Fri 08.20.2010 1:24 am

Thanks I think it is clearer now.
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Re: 十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby NileCat » Fri 08.20.2010 11:20 am

Honestly, I hate my attitude like being a kanji-nazi. :roll:
There is no problem if you use any kanji for that sentence in your real communication because that's what we do in our daily life. Nobody will find it "wrong" or "silly".
But when it comes to answering to a serious question, I don't think it's a bad idea to elaborate the usage like a grammar freak. So, please take my words with a grain of salt. Besides, it's just an opinion from one side. There must exist the other side.
What I found it interesting was that the word was written in hiragana in the original post. I supposed that was because the original writer wanted to ignore this complicated issue. Well, in terms of kanji, in many cases, the acceptable range changes depending on the generation or how official the writing is. ...That's what I think, at least. :)
Thank you for reading my excuse. :wink:

http://www.nihonjiten.com/data/13220.html
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa ... 1331529353
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/jn2/13 ... %E3%82%8B/
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Re: 十分読むにたえる作品だ。<< endure reading?

Postby writebook » Sun 08.29.2010 5:00 am

To me, this phrase using 耐える (endure, bear) feels a lot like these English phrases:

"This book endures the test of time."
-> What if you said, "This book endures a reading." in the same sense? (Although we don't say that in English.)

"This doesn't bear thinking about."
-> What if you said, "This book doesn't bear reading." or its opposite, "This book bears reading." in the same sense?
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