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Postby kentaku_sama » Sun 08.29.2010 9:34 am

After completing genki II and Studying alot online I've roughly have come to understand all japanese verb types (or at least all types I know of) I will try to see if I know them with the word for shopping:

Wal-martに買い物に行くのは大嫌いよ。 Non-past
今買い物に行っています。 Te-form
僕らは買い物に行った。 Past
買い物に行こうよ。 Volitional
ケーキを作ったり買い物に行ったり。 Alternative
買い物に行けば、高いものが持って行かないのだ。Provitional
あの店によく買い物に行かれています。Passive 
若いので、買い物に行けなかった。 Potential(negative)
それは買い物に行かせた。  Causative
昨日お母さんと一緒に買い物に行かせられた。 Caus-Passive 
明日ギター・センターに買い物に行くだろう。 Conjectural
僕に買い物に行きなさい。  Imperative 

Please correct any mistakes.
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Re: So lets see if I understand all these verb forums

Postby takiras » Sun 08.29.2010 9:54 am

If I'm not mistaken, you should use する to end off clauses using ~たり forms, because adding ~たり makes the phrase into an adverb - so there must be a verb to modify.

e.g.
〔ケーキを作ったり〕〔買い物に行ったり〕しました
I did [things like making cake] and [things like going shopping].

Though I'm not sure if you'd need to keep the する if you were answering the question 「何をしましたか」, so if I'm completely wrong, please disregard this post!~
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Re: So lets see if I understand all these verb forums

Postby NileCat » Sun 08.29.2010 10:30 am

Wal-martに買い物に行くのは大嫌いよ。 Non-past

Sounds ok. It's an statement about your (dis)liking.
It sounds like you're a girl though.

買い物に行こうよ。 Volitional

You're asking someone to go shopping with you. (Let's ~)


ケーキを作ったり買い物に行ったり。 Alternative

Well...because there isn't a subject and a verb here, I can't tell if it's correct. This is only a phrase but a sentence.

買い物に行けば、高いものが持って行かないのだ。Provitional

Wrong. Provisional. : )
買い物に行けば、楽しいだろう。(It would be fun)
買い物に行くなら、高い物は持って行かない。(I won't take expensive goods with me)

あの店によく買い物に行かれています。Passive

It's 敬語. "S/he often goes to that shop for shopping."
(EDIT: Strictly speaking, it might be a misusage as proper 敬語.)

若いので、買い物に行けなかった。 Potential(negative)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "potential", though...
Literally translated, it means "because I was (too) young, I was not able to go shopping".
And, in Japanese, 若い usually means "young adult", not a child. So, this sentence sounds a little bit odd to me.

それは買い物に行かせた。  Causative

Yes, that's causative. But WHO let WHOM go shopping? それ? Inanimate subject?

僕に買い物に行きなさい。  Imperative

Imperative form can't have subject "I" (the person who takes the order).
Go shopping! 買い物に行きなさい!
You! Go shopping! あなた! 買い物に行きなさい!
(あなたは買い物に行きなさい!)
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Re: So lets see if I understand all these verb forums

Postby kentaku_sama » Sun 08.29.2010 2:54 pm

僕に買い物に行きなさい。  Imperative


Imperative form can't have subject "I" (the person who takes the order).
Go shopping! 買い物に行きなさい!
You! Go shopping! あなた! 買い物に行きなさい!
(あなたは買い物に行きなさい!)


There go thinking like a stupid english speaker lol! I guess I should have include english translation:

Wal-martに買い物に行くのは大嫌いよ。 Non-past
I hate shopping at wal-mart.
今買い物に行っています。 Te-form
I shopping now.
僕らは買い物に行った。 Past
We went shopping.
買い物に行こうよ。 Volitional
Let's go shopping
ケーキを作ったり買い物に行ったり。 Alternative
We could do things like, make a cake or go shopping...
買い物に行けば、高いものが持って行かないのだ。Provisional
I we go shopping I'm not getting you anything expensive.
(I really don't know how to express that, if someone could for me please)

あの店よく買い物に行かれています。Passive 
That store is often shopped at.

子供ので、買い物に行けなかった。 Potential(negative)
Because he was a child he couldn't shop there.

それは買い物に行かせた。  Causative
That caused me to go shopping.
昨日お母さんと一緒に買い物に行かせられた。 Caus-Passive 
I wa made to go shopping with my mom.
明日ギター・センターに買い物に行くだろう。 Conjectural
I'll probably shop at the guitar center tomorrow.
僕に買い物に行きなさい。  Imperative 
Could you go shopping for me? (This one is wrong please correct it.)
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