Godan verbs that end いる/える

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Godan verbs that end いる/える

Post by squarezebra » Sat 01.01.2011 12:06 pm

Hi guys,
I really feel like i should know this already but....
Can you think of any exceptions (apart from single syllable root verbs such as 見る)where the いorえ of the いる or える ending is encompassed in the kanji (like 走る and 入る)yet those verbs are not Godan- class 1 るーverbs?
Might this be a rule for determining which iru/eru ending verbs are infact godan?
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Re: Godan verbs that end いる/える

Post by furrykef » Sat 01.01.2011 7:29 pm

I don't think there are any such verbs. All ichidan verbs that I know of (aside from, as you mentioned, two-syllable ones like 見る) always take at least two okurigana and therefore have the e/i spelled out.

What you have to watch out for are the verbs that have okurigana like an ichidan verb but are in fact godan. I can't seem to recall any particular examples, but I know there's at least one. (There are also words that look like i-adjectives but are in fact na-adjectives, like 嫌い. Isn't orthography fun?)
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Re: Godan verbs that end いる/える

Post by squarezebra » Sun 01.02.2011 6:22 am

Fun? Haha. Seriously. No.
I couldn't think of any myself. Nor am I aware of any with いる/える okurigana that are godan.
I need to get my conjigation rules nailed down. I've gone almost 4 years without memorising them, just assuming that they'll stick through exposure in the wild. I have got by just fine (at least i thought) up until now, but when you're staring at a JLPT level paper and you have 1 question with 4 options that all look the same I begin to wonder whether I really 'know' them at all? Obvious answer: no. Luckily theres not many, and they are really straightforward.
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Re: Godan verbs that end いる/える

Post by spin13 » Wed 01.05.2011 12:59 am

In standard, modern Japanese you only have to worry about the following verbs (kanji may vary) and perhaps a few uncommon stragglers:

五段
要る
入る
切る
走る
知る
罵る
散る
帰る
返る
覆る
蹴る
照る
練る
捻る
減る
湿る

Be careful of the few words that have the same pronunciation as the above but are 一段 verbs:

一段
居る
着る
変える
寝る
経る
閉める
占める

If my lists are missing common words with distinct meanings that fit these categories, please let me know.

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Re: Godan verbs that end いる/える

Post by furrykef » Wed 01.05.2011 8:11 am

Hmm. Maybe I was wrong when I said there were godan verbs that looked like ichidan verbs...
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Re: Godan verbs that end いる/える

Post by takiras » Sat 01.15.2011 11:53 am

五段動詞

交じる
混じる
雑じる
【まじる】
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