Learn Japanese with JapanesePod101.com

View topic - 懝せられている D:

懝せられている D:

Have a Question about some Grammar point? Share it with the world!

懝せられている D:

Postby PuriPuri » Sun 02.27.2011 12:55 am

This is the context:

共通語のアクセント
1. 共通語のアクセントと言う場合、日本では、現実の東京アクセントがそれになっている。この場合は、現実の東京語の音韻が共通語の音韻に
懝せられている以上に東京語は優遇されている。アクセントに関するかぎり東京語はよい点も悪い点も共通語として採用されている。
これには当然問題が多い。

I've been searching for a bit now and for the life of me I can't figure out how to read it or exactly what it means. My Japanese friends seem to be stumped too. Can anybody help? D:

Oh, also, it's out of a book from 1985, if that helps o.o
ぷりぷりぽぷりばななななぼぶり
PuriPuri
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat 01.08.2011 4:49 pm
Native language: 米語☆American English

Re: 懝せられている D:

Postby tōkai devotee » Sun 02.27.2011 2:09 am

I have no idea at all!!! But I just have to say I'm loving the pink text :D
User avatar
tōkai devotee
 
Posts: 1112
Joined: Thu 08.02.2007 6:15 am
Native language: Australian!

Re: 懝せられている D:

Postby NileCat » Sun 02.27.2011 3:27 am

I think so, too! :)

Are you sure that you have transcribed the kanji correctly? It has to be 擬, not 懝.
It’s a passive form of 擬する(ぎする).
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF- ... na&stype=0
It usually means “to imitate” or “to compare sth to sth”. The definition 2 and 3 are relatively rare to see today. But in your example, the meaning would be 2. The Tokyo accent is considered/presumed/granted the standard accent. It's a kind of stiff expression which you find in academic writings.

The proper conjugation pattern is サ行変格活用, however, some people use 五段活用 for it and it’s been getting acceptable (as same as the words like 愛する).
User avatar
NileCat
 
Posts: 1168
Joined: Sat 08.01.2009 2:11 pm
Location: Tokyo
Native language: Japanese

Re: 懝せられている D:

Postby NileCat » Sun 02.27.2011 3:58 am

Also, the most common word using the kanji would be 擬態(ぎたい), mimesis.
This picture would give you an inspiration to understand the kanji’s concept.
Image
:)
User avatar
NileCat
 
Posts: 1168
Joined: Sat 08.01.2009 2:11 pm
Location: Tokyo
Native language: Japanese

Re: 懝せられている D:

Postby PuriPuri » Sun 02.27.2011 8:56 am

Well I feel stupid. I wrote it into the IME pad, and I must've clicked the wrong one. The text in this book is so small, too ;___;

Yes, it's 擬せられる. Thank you for your help!!


Oh, and it is an academic text lol
ぷりぷりぽぷりばななななぼぶり
PuriPuri
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Sat 01.08.2011 4:49 pm
Native language: 米語☆American English


Return to Grammar Questions and Problems

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests