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When is a good time to use と言い?

Postby LordOfTheFlies » Mon 07.18.2011 12:17 pm

I keep hearing this bit of grammar fairly often and I haven't been able to grasp when or exactly how it's used. I found a short explanation at http://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A8%E8%A8%80%E3%81%84

と‐いい 〔‐いひ〕 【と言い】

[連語]
1 (「…といい…といい」の形で)二つ以上の事柄を挙げて、それらのすべてを同じように評価することを示す。…も…も。…だって…だって。「色―形―すばらしい」
2 前述の事柄を受けて、さらに他の事柄が重なることを表す。…であり、その上。

I have no trouble understanding the usage of 1 but I'm not sure I understand how you're supposed to use 2. I was hoping someone could help me shed some light on this and maybe provide an example on how to use it. Thanks in advance.
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Re: When is a good time to use と言い?

Postby Ongakuka » Mon 07.18.2011 12:25 pm

this is the only reibun I could find (perhaps you saw it too) I guess its just a conjunction with a more formal/stiff feel to it??

真夜中過の事―殊に風雨の烈しければ
なぜなら、おまえは・・・・・・人形だ
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Re: When is a good time to use と言い?

Postby NileCat » Mon 07.18.2011 2:38 pm

I’m not sure about the usage. It might be a kind of archaic expression.
Only example in our modern usage I can come up with is something like these.
いやあ、この皿は色といい素晴らしいですなあ・・・
この食器は、値段といい申し分ない。
この料理は、味といい最高だね。
But it looks like only a curtailed version of the definition 1… :blush:
Well, anyone has 古語辞典?
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Re: When is a good time to use と言い?

Postby LordOfTheFlies » Mon 07.18.2011 3:01 pm

That helps more than enough though ^^

I guess it's only really used as in the sense of the first definition. I'll try to remember that, thanks!
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Re: When is a good time to use と言い?

Postby NileCat » Mon 07.18.2011 3:05 pm

Or
今回の最年少チャンピオンといい、若い人のパワーはすごいね。
These expressions (only one ii) are commonly used. But I have no idea if it has something to do with the definition 2.
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Re: When is a good time to use と言い?

Postby play_on_my_words » Tue 07.19.2011 1:44 am

I found the link below after a lil bit of searching. Pretty sure it's the same thing, however I could be wrong. Hope it helps.

http://dev.jgram.org/pages/viewOne.php?tagE=toii~toii
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