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Particle の specific usage question

Postby MeitanteiJesus » Sun 02.12.2012 6:46 pm

In this sentence:

一見すると良いところのないようではあるが, ...

I'm thinking it translates to something like: "At first glance, there's nothing good about it, but ..."

Why exactly is の used instead of は? Although it would be a bit weird since は occurs after as well, and would probably have to be changed to ですが instead of ようではあるが

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As an aside, ところ just means part of or about right?
良いところ - good parts
三分の ところに - about 3 minutes (The の here just indicates that ところ is related to the time right?)
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Re: Particle の specific usage question

Postby Hektor6766 » Sun 02.12.2012 8:59 pm

The の makes the good point(s) a thing in "it" (the topic implied by は) to have (or not) if one takes a first glance. It nominalizes the phrase "good points if first sight taken".

ところ can mean "place" or a figurative "point".

三分のところに "3 minutes' [timespan] to the (anticipated) point (in time)"
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Re: Particle の specific usage question

Postby SomeCallMeChris » Sun 02.12.2012 9:33 pm

You can't nominalize a noun, as 'nominalize' means 'to make into a noun'.
This の is a substitution for が

の can be substituted for the subject-marker が (but not the conjunction が) and does so in fixed antiquated expressions, and in modern usage in order to prevent multiple が from causing confusion or to tighten the relationship between the noun and the verb.

There's nothing wrong with the original attempt at translating it.
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Re: Particle の specific usage question

Postby Hektor6766 » Mon 02.13.2012 10:14 pm

You're right, it's a subordinate phrase to what was left off.
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Re: Particle の specific usage question

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Tue 02.14.2012 4:25 am

SomeCallMeChris wrote:の can be substituted for the subject-marker が (but not the conjunction が) and does so in fixed antiquated expressions, and in modern usage in order to prevent multiple が from causing confusion or to tighten the relationship between the noun and the verb.


It's not this fixed; の can substitute for が in any relative clause and there doesn't need to be any big reason for it.
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