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RE: Geisha

Post by Isao » Thu 01.05.2006 12:53 am

Yes. That's the ultimately mistake. A japanese movie without a japanese actress as main actress ?! Rethink, Mister Director !
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RE: Geisha

Post by kaywala » Thu 01.05.2006 1:47 am

I thought the book was ok, but I disliked the movie a lot. It went ubber fast....but it did follow the book to the letter except it had to cut out a lot of things to make the movie shorter.

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RE: Geisha

Post by loganeer » Thu 01.05.2006 3:47 am

Hollywood has a bad habit of using actors that aren't geographically or ethnically correct. For Instance:
Dragonheart: Sean Connery as a dragon? I didnt buy it for a second
Star Wars I-III: Natalie Portland from Naboo? I doubt it
Terminator 1-3: Schwarzenegger from the future...certainly, but from where...

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RE: Geisha

Post by Harisenbon » Thu 01.05.2006 8:56 am

My favorite non-geographically correct actor scene had to be in the beginning of Day after tomorrow. It shows a dirty "japanese" city with lots of people eating ramen outside in rather taiwanese style ramen shops. A couple of homeless guys are arguing about garbage with a few policemen. Already very NOT Japanese.

Then people start talking in Japanese.

And they have accents...

It was completely surreal. My wife and I just watched it and went HUH?

(EDIT)
Just out of curiousity, I checked IMDB on the actors, and they are aparently Japanese. Makes me even more curious about the accent thing. Or maybe the wife and I are just crazy. ;)
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RE: Geisha

Post by hyperconjugated » Thu 01.05.2006 12:22 pm

Harisenbon wrote:
Just out of curiousity, I checked IMDB on the actors, and they are aparently Japanese. Makes me even more curious about the accent thing. Or maybe the wife and I are just crazy. ;)


Are sure your wife's a Japanese? You know they even got Chinese
actresses acting as Japanese women in movies these days :) You have been
seriously tricked my friend!
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RE: Geisha

Post by Infidel » Thu 01.05.2006 5:36 pm

Most American's can't tell the difference between Chinese and Japanese based on apperance, name, or anything less than a blinking arrow with the word "chinese" on it pointing at the actor's head.

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RE: Geisha

Post by Shibakoen » Fri 01.06.2006 11:13 pm

Ishnar, believe me I know that. That's what makes it even more irritating. I'm all for the day when the best actor gets the role: Morgan Freeman as George Washington, for example. But in real life, this just perpetuates the ignorance common in this country that anyone from Asia is "Chinese". If I hear someone say "who's the Chinese chick" when they see a picture of my girlfriend, whose Japanese, it just makes me cringe. To me it was like the producer just thought, "Americans won't know the difference anyway" so it's a real insult to our intelligence. I'm probably just more sensitive to this because I'm surrounded by people who wouldn't even be able to find North Carolina on a map, much less Japan or China. The worst thing is it really would have been a great opportunity for a Japanese actress to gain acclaim in the West. Instead, Ziyi Zhang and Michelle Yeoh now have a seeming monopoly on "Asian" leading roles. I mean could you imagine if James Bond were played by an American? At least there weren't any Japanese lines for the actresses. I'm reminded of Sean Connery's Russian in The Hunt for Red October. WORST ACCENT EVER!

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RE: Geisha

Post by Infidel » Sat 01.07.2006 2:23 am

hehe. But cockney is sugh a nice russian accent.

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RE: Geisha

Post by ShinDig » Sat 01.07.2006 5:02 am

hey all, i bought the book a while back, and have just started reading it ;)..i think its ok :)..(Only just started getting into it, so maybe my views will change later on)..

..never even knew there was a movie lol :D...

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RE: Geisha

Post by AJBryant » Sat 01.07.2006 10:29 am

My favorite non-geographically correct actor scene had to be in the beginning of Day after tomorrow.


There was your first mistake right there -- going to see that movie. ;)

But in real life, this just perpetuates the ignorance common in this country that anyone from Asia is "Chinese".


They're just playing the odds -- 1.2 billion Chinese, vs. 120 million Japanese. ;)

I mean could you imagine if James Bond were played by an American?


The very first one was. In 1957 or 58, "Playhouse 90" (a live drama series on TV) produced an adaptation of "Casino Royale". It features crack CIA agent Jimmy (!) Bond played by Barry Nelson explaining baccarat to British secret agent (!) Felix Leiter. Peter Lorre was Le Chifre.

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RE: Geisha

Post by Infidel » Sun 01.08.2006 1:03 am

loganeer wrote:
Hollywood has a bad habit of using actors that aren't geographically or ethnically correct. For Instance:
Dragonheart: Sean Connery as a dragon? I didnt buy it for a second
Star Wars I-III: Natalie Portland from Naboo? I doubt it
Terminator 1-3: Schwarzenegger from the future...certainly, but from where...


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RE: Geisha

Post by Shibakoen » Sun 01.08.2006 11:35 pm

AJBryant wrote:

The very first one was. In 1957 or 58, "Playhouse 90" (a live drama series on TV) produced an adaptation of "Casino Royale". It features crack CIA agent Jimmy (!) Bond played by Barry Nelson explaining baccarat to British secret agent (!) Felix Leiter. Peter Lorre was Le Chifre.

Tony


That one doesn't count. The real Casino Royale is the next Bond movie coming out. You know, the blond dude. Lazenby was the best Bond, by the way.

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RE: Geisha

Post by yume_kaji » Sat 02.04.2006 10:16 pm

i saw the movie memoirs of a geisha, but first i read the book...

the book is very good, explained and descripted in details. yeah! you need to read it, its great :D

the movie is also good, but i thing, when you dont read the book before you will miss some importent things... so the movie looks like just a love story...

well... in facts i like geishas they are interesting... the live they had was hard, bc they have to learn nonstope since they was a child.... but they are great artists :D
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RE: Geisha

Post by Apollo » Sun 02.05.2006 12:10 am

When I watched the movie I was very interested in it, because ever since I was really young I had alwasy wondered why those women wore white make up on their faces. The book I highly recommend! It is far better than the movie! If you watch the movie and read the book, you'll notice they left a lot of things out, but they do that with a number of books. Read it! It's worth it!
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RE: Geisha

Post by Takeo Saeki » Fri 03.10.2006 3:26 pm

I hate Hollywood. One of my three least favorite parts of America, right up there with our ballooning population and our insane crime rate. Hollywood seems incapable of making correct movies anymore. I hated how they butchered Harry Potter 3, and that's why I haven't yet watched Harry Potter 4 (waiting for the DVD). The instant I laid eyes on the girl in the preview of Memoirs of a Geisha, I knew instantly that she was Chinese and that really irritated me. I'm not blind; I can tell the difference. Despite what many people think, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Malaysian, etc people DO NOT look and sound exactly the same. Granted, they appear similar at first glance to a person who has not seen many Asians in their lifetime, but they're all unique human beings with unique personalities, feelings, opinions, pasts, etc and to assume that all Asians with black hair and slanted eyes are exactly the same because of how they look is an insult to all Oriental races.
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