Trial (line 1-4)

[ss]

Thank you very much for your comments, Harisenbon-san, and all other members too.

We can learn so many things out of just one Japanese sentence here, so that's the reason I will stick close to it and certainly look forward to challenge the next trial.

Of course you're welcome, cybermat-san !

[Harisenbon]

Cybermat said:
Is なった = なる (past tense)=became? の makes the action a noun? で = from? Literally does the second part translate to this:

You are correct in thinking that なった is the past form of なる.
However, you have broken up ので too far. ので is a phrase which, when placed after a verb, means because.

たべたので　-- because I ate
ねたので -- because I slept
こうきゅうするので -- because I breathe

[cybermat]

Harisenbon さん、ありがとうございました。
Are there differences in terms of usage between から　and ので？ or is it purely on preference?

Also, is it possible to post the katagana for the kanjis? I want to look them up in my dictionary.

I apologize if I am asking too many questions

[Harisenbon]

ので is a more formal version of から. It is used in written langauge, while から is not.

You can look up the kanji pronunciations by copying them and pasting them into the "translate japanese words" function in Jim Breen's online dictionary.
http://web.spruce.pl/jwb-cgi/wwwjdic?9T

[richvh]

Matt Kamermans (http://www.nihongoresources.com) on ので:

2.2.2. ので - due to

This is essentially the て form for のです, and means "it is that ..." as unfinished sentence, which is in English typically translated as "due to". There is an important distinction between "due to" and "because" that deserves some special attention: "due to" can typically not be used to indicate things such as explaining volitional action (I am doing this because...), request (I would like ... because), personal opinions (I like it ... because), commands (do ... because), and invitations/suggestion (would you like to ... because). The same holds for ので: it cannot be used for any of these.

You'd almost forget there are other things beside these categories, but the most fundamental one, stating fact, is still there and is exactly what this particle is used for:
今日(きょう)は休(やす)みなので、お店(みせ)が閉(し)めてあります。
Due to it being a holiday today, the shop is closed.

故障(こしょう)しているので、他(ほか)のを使(つか)うんです。
Due to it being broken, [you] will [have to] use another one.

Because of the fact that this particle can only be used for factoids, and cannot be used to express one's own opinion, volition or suggestions, it is considered more polite than the next particle, から, which acts as a general "because". ので is used frequently in official documents and formal settings, where stating something as something other than a factoid might lay responsibility for the statement with someone.

I think it's time to ask Coco-san for the next sentence, isn't it? (Edit: Even though she's off to Kyushu for a week, so we'll have to wait anyway.)

[lucky419]

This is an amazing idea. I honestly think I may have learned more from the discussion about this one sentence that I have reading all the lessons on this page, well mabe not, but still this is a great learning resource! I am looking forward to the next sentence. Much thanks coco-san.

[cybermat]

Thank You Harisenbon San and richvh san,

I have a very good understanding now.
I am ready for the next sentence.

Thanks again Coco San for creating this.

[Sachi]

I was a bit confused on that part, too.....

Much thanks Harisenbon-san and richvh-san!

[coco]

Here was a line 2 source.


SSさん いろいろ ご配慮ありがとう。;)

追記：リンク解除17ｔｈ 16:25

[Sachi]

I'm having a tough time with this one.... I'll post my translation when I can!

[coco]

coco wrote:
余裕があればAグループの方は
・「トイレ」と同じものを指す他の言葉を複数挙げ、その使い分けは何によるものか、(どのような人がどの言葉を選ぶと考えられるか)考えてみましょう。
・「走る」を含む諺を出して説明してみましょう。
・「高速道路〜」の一文を常体阜ｻに変えてください。そして常体と敬体の違いについて説明してください。

ご参考までにAの方へ。(詳細は機会があればまた今度別のスレッドで)
1)お手洗い 手洗い おトイレ、化粧室、洗面所、便所 厠 雪隠
Clay-san's article about Japanese toilets.
2)悪事千里を走る
3)常体=「だ。」「である。」の文体　　　 敬体=「です。」「ます。」の文体

[zengargoyle]

[spoiler]because the restroom on this side was blocked (in use? clogged up?), i entered the room next to it.[/spoiler]

away at a conference for a few days so i can't check my books for a few details...

[Tessen]

oh oks, thanks cocosan ^^
--
isnt the verb ふさがる [to be shut up]
and 個室 came out as private room. This can be used as restroom?

[AJBryant]

This is really looking to be a very strange story.


Tony

[Justin]

Here's just a quick little vocab list with some definitions if anyone wants to take a look...

[spoiler]手前 てまえ
right in front (of oneself)

個室 こしつ
a private [separate] room; one's (own) room (in this case something like stall would probably work best)

ふさがる
be closed; be stopped (up); be blocked (up); 《部屋・席などが》be occupied.

隣 となり
the next door [house]; the house next door
〜の　next ((room)); ((the lady)) next-door; neighboring ((houses)).
〜の席　the next seat.
〜の家の人　one's next-door neighbor.
〜に　((sit)) next to ((a person)).
〜に住んでいる　live next door to one.[/spoiler]

At work right now so I can't type Japanese, but just wanted to say sorry for being slow on getting what you asked done there coco, even though I said I would do it by the next day.

I'll see what I can do here later today about getting that done.