Particles "ni" and "e"

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Particles "ni" and "e"

Post by Diggity » Fri 04.01.2005 11:42 am

I know that both "ni" and "e" show direction towards something, with "ni" also being used as a time marker.

So my question is... In spoken japanese is "ni" or "e" used on a more common basis as a directional marker? Or is it too hard too tell?

San ji ni Kyoto ni ikimasu. - I am going to Kyoto at 3.
San ji ni Kyoto e ikimasu. - I am going to Kyoto at 3.

I would think it would be easier to use "e" as a directional marker since "ni" is quite versatile. Anyone who has a lot more expierience than me care to elaborate?

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RE: Particles "ni" and "e"

Post by Vengeance » Fri 04.01.2005 12:33 pm

I don't think you can use ni like that...

It would be sanji ni kyoto e ikimasu. Logically, using ni twice in a sentence, and both are used to convey a different thing, this would be confusing. Doesn't seem logical in a language so I'm going to say a no here but I could be wrong.

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Post by Schattenjedi » Fri 04.01.2005 12:42 pm

You can use に in that situation but it seems that へ is more common.

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RE: Particles "ni" and "e"

Post by Spaztick » Fri 04.01.2005 12:59 pm

"ni" and "e" are the same thing, but "e" has the connotation of a more general "going to." It's more casual and it hass the connotation that where you're going isn't the only place you might go to.
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RE: Particles "ni" and "e"

Post by KRed » Sat 04.02.2005 11:48 am

You can use "ni" twice in a sentence such as

roku ji ni gakko ni ikimasu.

"e" is a more casual version of "ni" in the cases of

1. Indicating the recipient of a certain action.

eg Bob san ni denwa o kakemashita
eg Bob san e denwa o kakemashita
I phoned Bob (Bob was on the receiving end of the action)

2. Indicating movement to a place

eg Taka san wa igirisu ni ikimasu
eg Taka san wa igirisu e ikimasu
Taka will go to England.

The frequency of use depends on the formality of the situation.

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Post by Gaijinian » Sat 04.02.2005 12:05 pm

"e" puts the emphases on the journey, "ni" on the location.
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Post by leylia » Sun 04.03.2005 10:23 am

Now Im more confused than ever since you all got different points of views. Which one is correct?

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RE: Particles "ni" and "e"

Post by Mukade » Tue 04.05.2005 8:40 am

Gaijinian wrote:
"e" puts the emphases on the journey, "ni" on the location.
Gaijinian is correct.

As a general rule of thumb, remember that "e" emphasizes the movement itself, whereas "ni" emphasizes the destination of the movement.

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Post by Spaztick » Tue 04.05.2005 8:58 am

Hmm, yea I think that's prolly the best way to think of it.

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RE: Particles "ni" and "e"

Post by KRed » Tue 04.05.2005 1:01 pm

Mukade wrote:
Gaijinian wrote:
"e" puts the emphases on the journey, "ni" on the location.
Gaijinian is correct.

As a general rule of thumb, remember that "e" emphasizes the movement itself, whereas "ni" emphasizes the destination of the movement.

Interesting, I never knew that.

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