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Postby kanadajin » Sun 04.23.2006 10:12 pm

A while ago I was watching "The first emperor of China" On the discovery channel. I was wondering who the first emperor of Japan was. Also can you provide a little information about him?:D thanks

AJBryant I know you might be able to help me out here..
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RE: First emperor

Postby Kaoru » Sun 04.23.2006 10:22 pm

Jimmu Tenno was the first emperor of Japan. You can find most of the information you need about him in this site http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ANCJAPAN/JIMMU.HTM. :)
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RE: First emperor

Postby kanadajin » Sun 04.23.2006 10:25 pm

:D Thank you very much Kauro!! :D
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RE: First emperor

Postby Kaoru » Sun 04.23.2006 10:26 pm

No problem =]
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RE: First emperor

Postby AJBryant » Mon 04.24.2006 1:40 am

The first *historical* emperor was probably Ojin (number "fifteen" on the official emperor count). The first fourteen are mythical figures, but they're still kept in the counting because (1) it would really screw up centuries of historical texts, (2) it's just got centuries of tradition, and (3) it would really piss off the whacko militant right-wingers in Japan who still want the emperor deified.

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RE: First emperor

Postby kanadajin » Tue 04.25.2006 10:35 pm

LOL, I like your number 3 reason :D. So ojin was te first.. non-mythological emperor?
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RE: First emperor

Postby AJBryant » Wed 04.26.2006 10:09 am

So ojin was te first.. non-mythological emperor?


Probably. Although his dates and actual details are really up for debate.

It's frustrating as hell that Chinese history is documented out the wazoo back into the hundreds-BC, but we can't be sure about anything in Japan till around the 6th century. Domestic and external histories just don't jibe. But if you can read between the lines and really look at the history, you can *see* dynastic shifts, power base shifts, and so on -- it's not really an unbroken line.

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RE: First emperor

Postby WacKostRacKo » Wed 04.26.2006 11:11 am

Most of the chinese documents about early japan must be taken with a pinch of salt because:
1) The chinese would have been a little prejudiced against the barbarians to the east.
2) The people who wrote the reports would not have gone very far into japan. Just stayed around the coast.
3) Japan was tribal so you cant make sweeping judgements about the whole of japan because nat all the tribes would have been reported about.
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RE: First emperor

Postby AJBryant » Wed 04.26.2006 4:31 pm

That's kinda the point.

The thing is, China kept impeccable internal records. The debate may be based on skewed views due to biases of the writers (e.g., Ssu-ma Chien) but the basic facts and dates are beyond question. When Japan tried to write it's own dynastic histories (Kojiki and Nihon Shoki) they were so full of historical BS and high fantasy stuff that they are really little better than worthless for a great portion of them.

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RE: First emperor

Postby two_heads_talking » Mon 05.08.2006 12:13 pm

if i remember correctly didn't the japanese not have documents for a special reason.. something about diety and only the common were allowed to document, but not allowed to document diety. therefore the emperor originally was not allowed to be written about..

i guess that went on until the 6th century, when scribes were allowed into the antechambers and such ..

I seem to remember reading that somewhere.. don't know where, when or anything else.
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RE: First emperor

Postby skrhgh3b » Mon 05.08.2006 3:00 pm

Hahahah. I can remembering laughing at my ex-girlfriend for having an emperor when we drove past the imperial palace.
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RE: First emperor

Postby Shibakoen » Mon 05.08.2006 4:16 pm

skrhgh3b wrote:
Hahahah. I can remembering laughing at my ex-girlfriend for having an emperor when we drove past the imperial palace.


Then she got the last laugh when somehow we actually chose George W. Bush...:o
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RE: First emperor

Postby AJBryant » Mon 05.08.2006 11:23 pm

Then she got the last laugh when somehow we actually chose George W. Bush...


Yeah, we could have gotten that lunatic, Gore.


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RE: First emperor

Postby two_heads_talking » Tue 05.09.2006 1:45 pm

AJBryant wrote:
Then she got the last laugh when somehow we actually chose George W. Bush...


Yeah, we could have gotten that lunatic, Gore.


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(shudders) and we could end up with him anyways.. (shudders again)
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RE: First emperor

Postby Shibakoen » Tue 05.09.2006 10:42 pm

AJBryant wrote:
Then she got the last laugh when somehow we actually chose George W. Bush...


Yeah, we could have gotten that lunatic, Gore.


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Hahahaha... Come on, Republicans had a choice between John McCain and GW, and you complain about Gore? And as for Gore's lunacy, I think I'd go a little crazy if I lost anything to W, even an arm wrestling match, much less a Presidential election.
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