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Postby Kojin » Sun 05.28.2006 5:05 pm

I discovered this chat thing that work on every site. gabbly.com/thejapanesepage.com i like it because it dont slow my computer down try it. i need some one to chat with in japanese.
Gabbly work with any page just type gabbly.com/ any URL what ever url you type in will be that room.
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RE: chat

Postby jinksys » Sun 05.28.2006 5:12 pm

Gabbly.com is a good idea in theory, but a failure in application. It's easily hackable, allows the user to use HTML/javascript, and doesn't support TJP authentication.
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RE: chat

Postby Kojin » Sun 05.28.2006 5:14 pm

What.....um yeah what hackable as in what ....huh
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RE: chat

Postby jinksys » Sun 05.28.2006 5:18 pm

Hackable: ie) Easily hacked.
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RE: chat

Postby clay » Sun 05.28.2006 6:07 pm

The thing I like about the current chat is it has 'TJP authentication' as Jinksys said. But I don't use it as much as others. Maybe someone one day will find something better :) Thanks for looking Kojin-san.

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RE: chat

Postby jinksys » Sun 05.28.2006 7:08 pm

clay wrote:
The thing I like about the current chat is it has 'TJP authentication' as Jinksys said. But I don't use it as much as others. Maybe someone one day will find something better :) Thanks for looking Kojin-san.

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Yes, Thanks for looking Kojin-san, it's appreciated since the current "Flash Chat" tends to slow down and is a resource hog. We really need something that is java/AJAX based and scales well.
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RE: chat

Postby aKuMu » Sun 05.28.2006 7:11 pm

Or simply an IRC chat/chan :) (that can be accessed both via irc client and java)
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RE: chat

Postby jinksys » Sun 05.28.2006 7:26 pm

aKuMu wrote:
Or simply an IRC chat/chan :) (that can be accessed both via irc client and java)


yeah, the only downside to that is there wouldnt be smilies lol.
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RE: chat

Postby zengargoyle » Sun 05.28.2006 8:11 pm

there can be smilies in IRC, it's a client side thing. get a client that converts smilies and you're set.

IRC has a bit of a learning curve, but i think it's popular enough that there's plenty of help out there (HOWTOs, clients and documentation, etc.) i've pondered and still ponder about getting an IRC Shell Server account somewhere and setting one up. there's usually some web space included for Java/HTML client hosting, and i can hack up remote authentication against the TJP user database.

the future however is probably Jabber/XMPP. it's been designed to be the successor to IRC and is the technology behind GoogleTalk and Apples iChat (and an IETF standard to boot). i setup a Jabber server here at work to wean people off of MSN and AIM (internal communication going through external servers is a *bad* thing).

anyway, just take this as another data point. the only reason i don't chat at the moment is because of the evil flash chat, it just doesn't work well on my machine. and i would prefer some sort of open standardized IM solution in it's place.
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RE: chat

Postby jinksys » Sun 05.28.2006 8:22 pm

I suggest we stick with something that doesn't require a client. We don't exactly have the most computer literate userbase.
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RE: chat

Postby zengargoyle » Sun 05.28.2006 9:00 pm

actually, that may not be possible. The New Server may not allow the Flash/AJAX/etc type of chat applications. they're really, really hard on the servers (basically http/database hits every couple of seconds for every person chatting). on the whole, HTTP connectionless-ness + short-lived-processes is a bad match for interactive chat. it's a hack that never should have been done.

it just doesn't work well in a shared server environment. if you run in a non-shared environment where you controll the whole server and can run the chat backend as a demon and use long-lasting HTTP/1.1 persistant connections then it's not so bad.

i've been looking at AJAX type chat solutions for months, and they just don't work well within the confines of cheap shared hosting.
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