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The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby hihlordjp » Sat 02.12.2005 4:11 am

A lot of references tell me that づ (tsu with the "ten-ten" ) is now pronounced just like ず (zu). I'm tempted to pronounce it as "dzu" (the old way) since, after all, it's a voiced "tsu". Any thoughts on this? Is it wrong to stick to that pronunciation? I'm a conservative when it comes to languages (like my native Filipino or even English) so my conservative tendencies also apply when it comes to Japanese.
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby Sunny Pig » Sat 02.12.2005 5:24 am

I'm clueless about whether the old pronounciation is acceptable or not nowadays.

I was taught from the sources in which I used for my self-study, that 「づ」is pronounced as "zu". In fact, I've never used the old pronounciation. From J-pop songs, I'm quite sure that almost everyone pronounces it "zu" now.

I think you can still use the old pronounciation. I think people can still understand you. :)
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby hihlordjp » Sat 02.12.2005 7:51 am

Yes, in all the J-Pop songs I've heard, づ is always pronounced as "zu". Still, I don't seem to want to stick to that pronunciation...

This reminds me of how, in Japanese, 〜ている can become 〜てる and how, in English, "want to" and "going to" can become "wanna" and "gonna", respectively...

Thanks for your help! :D
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby jinksys » Sat 02.12.2005 8:29 am

I was told it is pronounced "dzu", with the dz sounding like the english word
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But I guess either way is fine, dzu or zu.
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby ichigoTIMU » Sat 02.12.2005 11:18 pm

my japanese teacher once told me that they only write 'dzu' in the romanji, to differeniate between 「ず」and 「づ」. so i dont think they change in sound. correct me if im wrong
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby jinksys » Sun 02.13.2005 5:57 pm

Both are pronounced the same, but one is used in special circumstances.
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby Mukade » Sat 02.19.2005 9:37 pm

In standard Tokyo dialect, づ is pronounced the same as ず.

There are many other dialects (Osaka included) that continue to pronounce it "dzu."

If you use the old pronunciation, you'll sound like a country bumpkin to a Tokyoite's ears. But in many other parts of the country, they won't think twice...in fact, it's considered proper.

Japanese teachers usually try to teach standard Tokyo dialect, which is why your teacher would stress pronouncing it as ず.

I would stick to the ず pronunciation, unless you find yourself in some part of Japan which pronounces it otherwise.
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby hihlordjp » Sun 02.20.2005 8:34 am

Mukade wrote:
In standard Tokyo dialect, づ is pronounced the same as ず.

There are many other dialects (Osaka included) that continue to pronounce it "dzu."

If you use the old pronunciation, you'll sound like a country bumpkin to a Tokyoite's ears. But in many other parts of the country, they won't think twice...in fact, it's considered proper.

Japanese teachers usually try to teach standard Tokyo dialect, which is why your teacher would stress pronouncing it as ず.

I would stick to the ず pronunciation, unless you find yourself in some part of Japan which pronounces it otherwise.



Thank you for the background, Mukade!

I'll heed your advice, even though it goes against my conservative stance to languages. B)
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RE: The Pronunciation of 「づ」

Postby hihlordjp » Mon 02.21.2005 3:25 am

I conferred with my friend who was raised in Japan and he said that it is indeed pronounced like "zu", but that he still still pronounces it as "dzu". He recommended that I pronounce it like the latter.

He was living in Osaka at an early part of his life, so I guess that explains it...
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