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Pushing past the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status

Postby Ryno » Thu 06.22.2006 2:34 am

I`m at that point where i struggle to go past a certain step...i`m stuck in the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status...

I can read most sentences , play games , listen to anime, read manga. But I`m still strugling to understand more than 50 % .... of what is said or what I read.
Is there any good books that will get me past that phase ?

Or do i SERIOUSLY need to start reading some books..?

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RE: Pushing past the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status

Postby Infidel » Thu 06.22.2006 3:41 am

I'm at the same stage. I'm becomming convinced that to progress pass beginner it's necessary to stop using Japanese passively (reading). It's time to start creating your own sentences.
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Postby paul_b » Thu 06.22.2006 3:45 am

Ryno wrote:
I`m at that point where i struggle to go past a certain step...i`m stuck in the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status...

I can read most sentences , play games , listen to anime, read manga. But I`m still strugling to understand more than 50 % .... of what is said or what I read.
Is there any good books that will get me past that phase ?

Or do i SERIOUSLY need to start reading some books..?

Aiming at a serious target, such as taking a JLPT test, can help. If you start now you've got time to do some serious study before December.
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Postby Ryno » Thu 06.22.2006 3:49 am

Yeah , that is ANOTHER thing...i have nothing to aim for..My country is not listed for the JLPT...:(

I want to be able to read books, understand games 100% ..but HOW do i get there..?:o
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Postby paul_b » Thu 06.22.2006 4:19 am

Ryno wrote:
Yeah , that is ANOTHER thing...i have nothing to aim for..My country is not listed for the JLPT...:(

Well that's certainly inconvenient but are there no adult education / language centers giving courses and tests?

I see there's a AP in Japanese Language and Culture available that it should be possible to home study and counts towards admission at the University of Cape Town. I can't really tell what level it is though.
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Postby Ryno » Thu 06.22.2006 4:30 am

Hmmm you see i dont live even close to cape town ...and no, Japanese is kinda..invisible over here..if people see or hear japanese they immediatly think it's chinese...and BELIEVE me I have looked and looked ... there is NO CLASSES or TESTS anywhere to be taken here.Not even in university..:(

Is there no online tests ? But good ones ? I always just find super beginner ones..
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Postby paul_b » Thu 06.22.2006 4:50 am

Ryno wrote:
Hmmm you see i dont live even close to cape town

I don't think you necessarily have to go there.
Is there no online tests ?


[url=http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/about.html]
If you are a homeschooled student or attend a school that doesn't offer AP, you can still participate. Each year hundreds of students participate through independent study. Some states even sponsor online AP courses.[/url]
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Postby Ryno » Thu 06.22.2006 5:01 am

Well ...i`m already out of school and colledge...:(
No there is no online tests..i looked..
that is why i dont depend on this country to learn japanese..
I need another method..I need a GOOD book ...know any ?
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RE: Pushing past the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status

Postby TrilinguisT » Thu 06.22.2006 5:04 am

Infidel wrote:
I'm at the same stage. I'm becomming convinced that to progress pass beginner it's necessary to stop using Japanese passively (reading). It's time to start creating your own sentences.


what's up with you and this anti-passive thing?!? *scratches head*

what's wrong with speaking passively? or writing passively? or doing both?
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Postby TrilinguisT » Thu 06.22.2006 5:06 am

Ryno wrote:
Well ...i`m already out of school and colledge...:(
No there is no online tests..i looked..
that is why i dont depend on this country to learn japanese..
I need another method..I need a GOOD book ...know any ?


http://www.guidetojapanese.org

a very good place to learn casual japanese
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Postby paul_b » Thu 06.22.2006 5:19 am

Ryno wrote:
Well ...i`m already out of school and colledge...:(

So was I when I took my GCSE Japanese course. I don't know about South Africa but in the UK you can take just about any school/college course as an "adult learning" course.
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Postby Ryno » Thu 06.22.2006 5:30 am

Well SA is one of those countries that has not yet "connected" to the world...so japanese is SO scarce , i have yet to even SEE a japanese person...over here :P

I`ll check out that site TrilinguisT !
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RE: Pushing past the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status

Postby adam » Thu 06.22.2006 8:21 am

Start reading real books. I've been reading harry potter lately in japanese. It's good because it has some furigana, but not too much. And sometimes you will see furigana for the word and then the next time you see the word, there will be no furigana. This happens alot, and it's great so that you don't always see the words with furigana. Reading is honestly one of the best ways to take your level up a notch. Contrary to what you think, reading improves your listening and speaking skills as well a lot.
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RE: Pushing past the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status

Postby Mukade » Thu 06.22.2006 8:56 am

TrilinguisT wrote:
Infidel wrote:
I'm at the same stage. I'm becomming convinced that to progress pass beginner it's necessary to stop using Japanese passively (reading). It's time to start creating your own sentences.


what's up with you and this anti-passive thing?!? *scratches head*

what's wrong with speaking passively? or writing passively? or doing both?


By definition, reading and writing are active skills, whereas listening and reading are passive skills.

The difference is in only having to recognize something (as in passive skills), and having to recall it from memory (as in active skills).
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RE: Pushing past the BEGINNER/INTERMEDIATE status

Postby Ryno » Thu 06.22.2006 9:00 am

yes I also think i've got to start reading REAL books...i read akira(ok this is manga)..or half way through it..but it has NO furigana and i constantly have to look up a word...so is there an easy read maybe ..just to get comfy with japanese all the time ??

Any recommended books ?
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