あかさたなはまやらわん

[Oyaji]

As many of you know, Japanese dictionaries are divided into sections by "alphabet". Words beginning with あいうえお are in the あ section, かきくけこ in the か section, etc. When Japanese children, and foreigners learning Japanese, begin to learn to use the dictionary, they learn to say 「あかさたなはまやらわん」in order to quickly locate the right section. I learned to say it with a little rhythm, something like 「あぁかさぁたなぁ　はぁまやぁらわぁ　ん」. I'm sure there are other ways as well.

Coco suggested that it might be easier for people to memorize this if it were set to a simple, well known tune. Along the lines of the alphabet song, or "do, re, mi". I think that is an excellent idea.

I propose we have a little friendly contest to come up with the best 「あかさ。。。」song. It might even make it into the regular lessons on this site. Who knows?

Give it some thought, and share your ideas. You might revolutionize the way Japanese dictionaries are used.

[AJBryant]

I'm sure there are other ways as well.

I learned "All Konscientous Students Take Nihongo Here; Maybe You'll Remember Well."

Tony

[coco]

うわっ。トニーさんの2行で終わっちゃったかも。:D
やっぱりうまいこと語呂合わせする人がいるもんですねぇ。 (感心しきり)
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Oyajiさん。ありがとうございます。m(__)m

[crowfeather]

This sounds like a great idea:).
Perhaps after the song has been selected we could get Clay to make a wave file in the event some don't know the melody. Various countires have different children's songs.
Barbara

[Harisenbon]

I had some kid in my first grade Japanese class say to the teacher
"don't the first 5 lines of Japanese spell out Red Satan?"
あかさたな。。。
It always stuck with me for some reason.

[two_heads_talking]

lol, i can't remember what i used to remember but i know i have tabs now that have the a ka sa etc.. on them..

[billy-jay]

I don't remember where I got this one:

Kana
Signs:
Take
Note
How
Much
You
Read &
Write (them)

Of course, you have to remember the "vowels" before the K.

[Budomaru]

AJBryant wrote:

I'm sure there are other ways as well.

I learned "All Konscientous Students Take Nihongo Here; Maybe You'll Remember Well."

Tony

lol B)

Harisenbon wrote:
I had some kid in my first grade Japanese class say to the teacher
"don't the first 5 lines of Japanese spell out Red Satan?"
あかさたな。。。
It always stuck with me for some reason.

some things follow you to the wrong places...

[Oyaji]

Any ideas for a tune?

[coco]

たとえば…　
『ＡＢＣの歌』に針千本さんの例を借りて作るとすると
(一部変えさせていただきました)
−−−−−−−−−−−−
「a.k.a.　Satan」を　おぼえ　よ　う
do _ do _ so _ so _ la la _ so

こく　ご　じてんを　　ひくために　
fa__ fa_ mi_ mi_ re re do

さいしょの　ごもじを　おぼえたら
so _ so　_ fa _ fa _ mi mi re

つぎ の　　ごもじも　おぼえよう
so_ so__ fa fa__ mi mi re

H＋M＋Y＋R＋W ←この文字を使って句をつくる
ドド　ｿｿ　ﾗﾗｿ
　
というふうに、たとえば日本語だと歌詞に乗せることができるわけです。
こういうのを英語(あるいは他の言語)で作れないものか…
と思っているわけです。
トニーさんの 文を最後に持ってくることができるのかどうか
英語の語句のまとまりと発音の流れ、それまでの歌詞との整合性などが
私にはわかりませんが、どうなんでしょう。

もし最後のファファ ミミ レレドでトニーさんの文がひとまとまりになるのなら
HMYRWをうまく組み合わせてパンチの効いた一行にできれば
できあがるんじゃないかな。。

で、『ABCの歌』ってもしかしてフランス民謡ですか?
だとするときっと著作権切れてるから使えそうなんだけど…。
本当はTJPのオリジナルが欲しいところ。

HMYRWで何か句はありませんか?
How Many Years で　ﾄﾞ　ﾄﾞﾞ　メ@までいきますか?
いかがでしょう。:p
　　　

[KINGZ]

billy-jay wrote:
I don't remember where I got this one:

Kana
Signs:
Take
Note
How
Much
You
Read &
Write (them)

Of course, you have to remember the "vowels" before the K.

Yea, I picked that one up too.
I some times put it this way due to the R is somewhat of a L sound
Kana
Signs:
Take
Note
How
Much
You
Love (to)
Write (them)

[aKuMu]

Harisenbon wrote:
I had some kid in my first grade Japanese class say to the teacher
"don't the first 5 lines of Japanese spell out Red Satan?"
あかさたな。。。
It always stuck with me for some reason.

haha

[Ezrach]

It doesn't make any sense, it's more like a jumble of Japanese words, but I made this up for myself to memorize the order:

あかさ　たな　は　まやら　わん
赤さ　棚　は　マヤら　碗。

"Redness shelves are mayans' bowls."

[coco]

Jinksys introduced "hiragana song" on this thread..
funny song! "Learning Japanese is so much fun"♪♪
I guess that memorizing with sounds may help your learning.
I don't adhere to あかさたな.

[MrTuesday]

I've just started trying to learn the kana, but if I knew I'd be more than happy to try to help out.

As of now though, it's a bit above my head. I could make a drum loop for someone . We could make this song a number one club hit...