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Postby Ren » Tue 08.01.2006 3:20 am

Hello everyone. I am 15 years old (16 in two weeks) and I was thinking about moving to Japan after high school. My life in America isn't working for me, I dislike my family (And not just your everyday "I hate my parents!" teenage angst, my psychiatrist actually told me that I should get away from them as soon as I can) and I cannot think of anything to make of my life here. I've been interested in living in Japan since I was very young, and have always planned on moving there as soon as I could. However, I'm not sure how I would go about it. I spend alot of time pondering it and thinking it over. I've been a loser my whole life, but have recently had a turn-around and gotten back on track and better than ever. I've been studying hard, both in school and in the japanese language. I figured that I would need to be pretty smart since Japanese schools are so much more advanced than American public schools... Money is also an issue. I've been keeping a savings for a few months now, it isn't much but it could be once I get a job in a few weeks. But anyway, with my situations, does anyone have and advice for me on this? I really want it to work out, but I'm getting backed into a corner here...
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby billy-jay » Tue 08.01.2006 3:47 am

Wow, there's a lot of stuff to respond to in your post. The first thing that struck me though was the fact that you're 15 and you say you've been a loser your whole life. At your age a difference of even a year can be huge. While I won't necessarily call you a liar for claiming to be a loser, it's pretty common for teenagers to be pretty negative. Therefore, I'm not going to think of you as a loser until you prove me wrong. I hope that's okay with you. :)

I don't know what issues you have with your parents, and I really don't need to know, but if you're looking to stay out of the house, at least try to be constructive about it. You say you're going to get a job soon (I take it you have to be 16 to work?); that's a good start.

I don't want to discourage you from trying to come here, but if you can't think of what to do with your life where you are (hicksville? LA? somewhere in between?), you will probably find that you won't be able to think of what to do with your life in Japan.

That's just off the top of my head. Don't let me stop this from being an ongoing discussion.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby Ren » Tue 08.01.2006 3:55 am

I have been a loser though, I've been failing school every year since I was ten years old. Luckily, it is against the rules here to fail someone who isn't in highschool unless their parents request it. I'm not in hicksville or a big city, just your regular town (Population:45,504). It's not so much that I couldn't do anything here, but the fact that I would never be happy with what I was doing here. If I wanted to do something I like to do (Animation, video game programming, etc.. Realistically though, as these are actual hobbies of mine rather than just something I would like) I would have to go across the country anyway. If I were to do that, I might as well go to where I have been wanting to go my whole life.

By the way, I'm not trying to be rude if it sounded that way.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby aKuMu » Tue 08.01.2006 7:14 am

if you fail school all the time how do you want to succeed in a japanese school or university which is harder (and well in japanese) and btw i dont know why everyone who sais he wants to do Animations or Video Game Programmer has to go to Japan. You can do it in the US too. Its not like you fly to Japan, go to Konami and say, hey, im from the USA and I want to make Metal Gear Solid 5. Take me i can speak a bit Japanese.

Youre only nearly 16 years old, wich is very young. A lot will change till youre 18 or 21. You dont know how daily Life is in Japan. Its in general the same blabla as everywhere. But as a Foreigner its a lot harder to get something other than Translating or Teaching Jobs.

So before moving there forever and giving up everything, atleast go there for vacation
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby kanadajin » Tue 08.01.2006 8:08 am

and btw i dont know why everyone who sais he wants to do Animations or Video Game Programmer has to go to Japan. You can do it in the US too. Its not like you fly to Japan, go to Konami and say, hey, im from the USA and I want to make Metal Gear Solid 5. Take me i can speak a bit Japanese.


Okay? Did you ever stop to think people just want to be a video game programer, and are also interested in Japan and want to move there and study the language? Not just to go to Japan to be a Video Game Programer He even said

I like to do (Animation, video game programming, etc.. Realistically though, as these are actual hobbies of mine rather than just something I would like) I would have to go across the country anyway. If I were to do that, I might as well go to where I have been wanting to go my whole life.


But akumuさん I do agree with you that some people say that.. My friend for instance is always saying shes going to move to Japan just to make anime I ask her why she just doesnt make it here and she says It wont be as good.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby keatonatron » Tue 08.01.2006 9:11 am

I think the absolute worst reason to move to Japan is "because I don't like where I'm living now". Running away from your problems never helps, haven't you heard that before?

If you've been failing school, simply moving to another school won't help. The change has to come from within. Similarly, if you've been failing at life in general (i.e. being a loser) then moving to Japan, where your lifestyle will be MUCH more difficult, is not going to help anything.

I can't say anything about your parents. If you really think you need to get away from them, I hope you can do so. But there are three things I believe are required to have before someone can be sucessful in Japan: 1) a good education, 2) pride in their own country, and 3) an unbiased interest in all of Japan.

In Japan, foreigners aren't equal with Japanese citizens. The only way to make a living is to be smart, have a very good international perspective (which includes understanding the good and bad points of your home country and Japan), and being able to accept all of Japanese culture. Focusing on anime, manga, and/or games would be a horrible mistake.

My advice for you is to move somewhere within the US. Getting out of your current surroundings can do wonders, but going somewhere where you don't speak the language fluently and you have none of the rights and priveledges that you're used to is way too extreme.

If your parents are really a problem, you can move out at 16 (if they don't want you to go, a court order can get you out). You should work hard until you finish school (another 2-3 years?) then move to college. If you're in the states, the government will help you pay for 100% of it (they'll at least give you loans, if nothing else) which means you have NO excuse not to go. Once you've finished college, re-evaluate your situation. I think you'll find that by then you will have grown immensely and will feel very different from how you do now.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby ComradeJoe » Tue 08.01.2006 9:27 am

keatonatron wrote:
and you have none of the rights and priveledges that you're used to is way too extreme.


This raises an interesting issue. What are the rights one loses when moving to Japan?
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby Oyaji » Tue 08.01.2006 9:53 am

Unless you become a Japanese citizen, you lose the right to vote. (Some communities allow foreigners with permanent residency to vote in local elections.) Of course we pay the same taxes, but have no say, vote wise, in how the money is used.

You have no right to live in Japan. You can be made to leave the country for any arbitrary reason.

You lose the right to have an attorney present during "questioning", and other such *Miranda-like* rights.

You lose the right to equal housing and employment.

I'm sure there are others than I can't think of at the moment.


Other than the first one, I've never had any problems with any of these, but I'm fully aware of how things are.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby istanbul » Tue 08.01.2006 9:54 am

you seem wonderfull to me.( i mean a good brain for a teenager)

u can do whenever you want. i can advice things to you,
but plans are before war. no one can understand you from his country.
as an american u can go any where , i can only advice you this. do not restrict yourself with japan..,
anywhere on a world map, could be a candidate for you...
much loses much, few loses few...
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby Ezrach » Tue 08.01.2006 10:03 am

Unless you are a uni student in Japan, you can only stay there as a visitor for up to 3 months at a time. No uni degree = no work.

If you want to get into animation and video game programming, Japan is the absolute worst place to go. All the jobs are taken by...Japanese. What skills do you have in either industry that would get you a job over a Japanese person who has the same skills, or better?

I'm not trying to shatter your dreams, I'm just suggesting that you think things through thoroughly.

Another thing to consider, your financial situation isn't the best, according to your post. Attending school in Japan will be considerably more expensive than in the States. You've also got to pass an entrance exam in Japanese to go to any national university. If you went to a private school that has classes in English, it will cost you more, and you'll most likely be living in Tokyo, which is more expensive than any city in the U.S. (Actually, according to this year's economy survey, Tokyo is the 3rd most expensive city to live in in the world, behind London at number 1, and Seoul at number 2)

You're only 15. You've got a lot of time ahead of you. If you set your goals and keep at them, you'll get there soon enough.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby ComradeJoe » Tue 08.01.2006 10:17 am

Oyaji wrote:
You lose the right to have an attorney present during "questioning", and other such *Miranda-like* rights.


Heh. Most romanian citizens don't have these rights. :|



Victory Manual wrote:
No uni degree = no work.


Does this apply for translators/interpreters/foreign language teachers aswell?
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby keatonatron » Tue 08.01.2006 10:19 am

ComradeJoe wrote:
This raises an interesting issue. What are the rights one loses when moving to Japan?


As far as I know, there'd be no welfare, disability or unemployment, and it'd be very hard to get a loan. In the States, it's easy to get a job just to get by, and if you lose your job for some reason you're still fine. In Japan, you have to have a job at a large company in order to receive a visa, and the minute you lose your job, your visa goes with it and you get shipped home. You can't just hang out looking for a new job, working part time at the local Mos Burger. For people who already have careers this isn't a problem, but I know when I first started working I bounced around between a lot of low-level jobs while I gained experience. That would be impossible to do in Japan.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby ComradeJoe » Tue 08.01.2006 10:22 am

So in other words it's deliberately designed to discourage immigration. Lovely.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby Oyaji » Tue 08.01.2006 10:32 am

It is no secret that Japan is first and foremost for the Japanese, and the rules and regulations are designed that way. (How that compares to other countries is really not relevant to this conversation.) This ties into the point coco made in another thread about the fact that as Japan's workforce dwindles, they will be forced to import labor from abroad. It may get to the point where unskilled labor jobs are easier to get than skilled jobs.

How Japanese society will react to this influx of foreigner labor is a big question. Germany's experience doesn't make one hopeful.
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RE: Going to Japan after high school...

Postby Ezrach » Tue 08.01.2006 11:13 am

ComradeJoe wrote:
Victory Manual wrote:
No uni degree = no work.


Does this apply for translators/interpreters/foreign language teachers aswell?


Yes. No Uni Degree = No work visa. It's an immigration requirement.

You can find information on visas at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/index.html

There is the possibility that a specialist in the field does not require a degree, but the minimum experience in an industry is 10 years + to even be considered a specialist, and even then you need to have a name for yourself (i.e. be published).
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