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Verbal Adjective Tenses

Postby spin13 » Tue 05.24.2005 3:35 am

I've got a question about verbal (or -i) adjectives. I'm confused somewhat on the meaning of each configuration. Does the adjective tense function independently of the verb tense? Say we have the following sentences:

僕は白い車を見ます。
ぼくはしろいくるまをみます。
I see a car that is white.

僕は白かった車を見ます。
I see a car that was white.

僕は白い車を見ました。
I saw a car that is white.

僕は白かった車を見ました。
I saw a car that was white.

Are these the correct meanings for these sentences?

Thanks in advance,
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RE: Verbal Adjective Tenses

Postby Spaztick » Thu 05.26.2005 11:50 am

Pretty much, except you should treat shiroi like an adjective to make the English translation "I saw a white car." Other than that you got it spot on.
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RE: Verbal Adjective Tenses

Postby spin13 » Thu 05.26.2005 1:46 pm

Right, I understand it functions as an adjective, I just wanted to keep consistent form between the present and past tense.

I saw a white car.
I saw a previously white car.

Would work as well, I suppose. Either way, thank you.

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RE: Verbal Adjective Tenses

Postby Kurisuchen » Thu 05.26.2005 9:09 pm

When you use the adjectival verb tense in the past tense you use a present tense verb however the sentence 僕は白かった車見ます is strange a better example is
見たの車は白かったです。
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RE: Verbal Adjective Tenses

Postby InsanityRanch » Sun 05.29.2005 8:36 pm

Here's my take.

The adjective is conjugated as a verb only if it functions as a verb.

Specifically, your sentence:

****白かった車を見ます。

is odd sounding. 白い車 seems better, with the actual verb indicating the tense.

If you want to say the car was white:

車は白かった。

You can add desu or no desu to raise the politeness level, but essentially, the adjective functions as the verb in this sentence.

However, there is another possibility. If you want to specify something like a dependent clause, the verbal form of the adjective can precede the noun:

車の?#92;年前に白かったペンキがその日ねずみの色のように見えた。

On that day the car's paint, which had been white ten years earlier, looked the color of a rat.

Does that make sense?

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