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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Steve_Poppers » Fri 04.20.2007 7:27 pm

Oh, doi! I failed to write that down when taking notes. They shall be fixed! ...Howzat?
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Fri 04.20.2007 8:13 pm

Steve_Poppers wrote:
Want to do たい
何を言ったいですか。


This should be 言いたい.

分かりたい。


You can't say "wakaritai". The -tai form can only be used with verbs that involve control or volition. You can't choose whether or not you understand something, so there is no control or volition involved -- and thus no たい form can be used.
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Steve_Poppers » Fri 04.20.2007 10:24 pm

Ah. I see. You're good. And very helpful. ..So, the rest are good?
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby richvh » Sat 04.21.2007 7:48 pm

Yudan Taiteki wrote:
分かりたい。


You can't say "wakaritai". The -tai form can only be used with verbs that involve control or volition. You can't choose whether or not you understand something, so there is no control or volition involved -- and thus no たい form can be used.


Funny, just today I came across it (or at least the negative form of it) in the novel I'm reading. (魔性の子 by 小野不由美, page 322)

 分かりたくない、と思った。そんな理屈は分かりたくない。広瀬は首を降った。
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sat 04.21.2007 8:12 pm

Yeah, 分かる is one of those borderline words (it sometimes occurs with を as well instead of が). I think this is one of those cases where you should understand the rules in order to break them, though.
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Steve_Poppers » Sat 04.21.2007 8:28 pm

Adjecteves い
Write 3 sentences for each conjugation of 3 different adjectives.
熊のプーさんは可愛いです。
熊のプーさんは可愛くないです。
熊のプーさんは可愛かったです。
熊のプーさんは可愛くなかったです。
このパンコーンは新しいです。
このパンコーンは新しくないです。
このパンコーンは新しくないです。
このパンコーンは新しくなかったです。
英語は安いです。
英語は安くないです。
英語は安かったです。
英語は安くなかったです。

This seems kind of repetitive, but it's just practice.
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby richvh » Sat 04.21.2007 9:28 pm

You didn't conjugate any verbs; those are all adjectives.
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sat 04.21.2007 9:33 pm

Two things:
かわいい is usually not written in kanji.
安い does not mean "easy" in the sense you are trying to use it; you want やさしい for that. 安い is generally "cheap".

Your conjugations are fine, though.
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Steve_Poppers » Sun 04.22.2007 12:30 am

You didn't conjugate any verbs; those are all adjectives.

Oops. Fixed it.

かわいい is usually not written in kanji.
Got it.

I did get a little confused by what rikaichan said 安い meant. What would I use instead?
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sun 04.22.2007 9:16 am

やさしい
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Steve_Poppers » Sun 04.22.2007 10:14 pm

Ok. Thanks.

Next:
Very とても
5 examples
あのりんごはとても赤いです。
あなたはとてもかわいいです。
この和食はとてもおいしいです。
東京に住んではとても高いです。
あの食べ物はとても熱いです。

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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sun 04.22.2007 10:30 pm

Somehow とても赤い strikes me as a little odd -- it does get 570 google hits so somebody's using it, but 570 is rather low compared to the 550,000+ hits that "very red" gets in English.

東京に住んではとても高いです。


This means something like "If one lives in Tokyo it is very expensive" (and isn't a natural way to say that since that structure is almost always used with a negative predicate or at least one with a strongly negative connotation).

What you want to do here is 東京に住むのはともて高いです; I would recommend holding off on those sorts of relative clauses until you get a little further along in your studies; they're not the easiest topic in Japanese grammar.
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Steve_Poppers » Sun 04.22.2007 11:04 pm

Ghaa! I want to learn this stuff! But there's so much!

So do people just not describe things as "very red" in japanese?
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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Mon 04.23.2007 8:13 am

Hmm, I tried some other "very" terms and got slightly more encouraging results. 2000+ hits for each of すごく赤い, すごい赤い, とっても赤い. Without asking a native speaker I'm not really sure here.

Ghaa! I want to learn this stuff! But there's so much!


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RE: Grammar point example sentences

Postby SolidSnail » Mon 04.23.2007 11:43 am

Don't the japanese use the word 真っ赤 ?
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