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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby coco » Thu 04.26.2007 4:47 am

I believe these are 3級漢字. ( …or are you talking about something else? )
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前回「ひ(hi)」と「し(shi)」の発音について、質問がありましたので、それについて。
 
聞き取り Listening practice: Koi Nobori & Golden Week(Posted by clay on May 02 2006 - 16:21:44) はとてもよい教材だと思います。すでにもう聞いたかもしれませんが 聞き取り Listening practice: Koi Nobori & Golden Week の中の「こいのぼり」に「こどもの日」をはじめ「日(hi)」という発音がたくさん出てきますので、もう一度聞いてみると きっと参考になると思います。 :)
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby Infidel » Thu 04.26.2007 5:25 am

I've been meaning to ask this for a while.

After everyone is done with the 3kyuu study group, will the next group be called 4ウエルカム?
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby caroline » Thu 04.26.2007 2:12 pm

A jerk? No way!


totally agreed! :)
That's at least is not in debate in the study group!

The kanji question : do we assume that we already know the 181 (more or less) of them, or shall we start with for instance the first line? I sure am short of more than a few. Thanks, coco-san for the list and good idea for kikitori.

As for the date : I leave that to those who are on extreme in regard to GMT, which is not my case. Be it too soon, my computer has collapsed again so I don't know when I'll be able to join a chat or type in japanese.... :( :(
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby tanuki » Thu 04.26.2007 8:52 pm

Wow, there are a lot of kanji I don't know from that list. There are also many I can recognize from usual compounds but I don't know their individual meanings. For example, I knew 銀 from 銀行 but I didn't know it was "silver".

In other words, I would be more open to the "line" approach rather than the "whole" approach... :|

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After everyone is done with the 3kyuu study group, will the next group be called 4ウエルカム?


I don't understand... Is that a pun on kyuu -> queue?

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Coco-san, I can hear the ひ very clearly in the Koi Nobori listening comprehension practice. Yumi-san has a very clear accent. :)
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby coco » Thu 04.26.2007 9:10 pm

Yumi-san has a very clear accent.

Yes. Very clear. :)

English and most European languages are much more modulated. Japanese sounds like a blurred monotone to us. A good speaker like Yumi-san sounds like a string of pearls, a harsh male speaker sounds like a machine gun.

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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby Infidel » Thu 04.26.2007 9:32 pm

tanuki wrote:

I don't understand... Is that a pun on kyuu -> queue?



it is a pun.

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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby KNH » Thu 04.26.2007 9:37 pm

tanuki wrote: Wow, there are a lot of kanji I don't know from that list.

It's really not as bad as it looks. When you start learning 'em, they will start popping up everywhere. At least, that was the case for me.

I'm looking at learning 500+ kanji for the summer. That should be fun. :D
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby HeyItsMatt » Thu 04.26.2007 10:16 pm

Infidel wrote:
I've been meaning to ask this for a while.

After everyone is done with the 3kyuu study group, will the next group be called 4ウエルカム?


Hahaha. Before you explained the joke, I kept looking at your post and thinking "four welcome... four welcome after three kyuu... what the... aaghhh, I'm so horrible at Japanese!"
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby ss » Thu 05.03.2007 9:06 am

Coco-san wrote:
I believe these are 3級漢字. ( …or are you talking about something else? )


ただいま!ここさん, ちょっとお目にかけたいものがございます。お願いします。 ↓

三級漢字 - My attempt (Picked from the 三級漢字 list)

1. になると、花はみんな咲いている。(はるになると、はなはみんなさいている。) X
Flowers are in blossom when spring comes.
春になると、(すべての)花が咲く。 (はるになると, (すべての)はながさく)
When spring comes, all (kind of) flowers bloom.


2. になると、至るに蛍がいる。(なつになると、いたるところにほたるがいる。)X
There are fireflies everywhere when summer comes.
夏が来ると、いたる所でホタルを見ることができます。(なつがくると、いたるところでホタルをみることができます。)
We see fireflies everywhere when summer comes.

Extra input from Coco-san:
夏が来ると、ホタルがこの川にやってきます。(なつがくると, ホタルがこのかわにやってきます。)
Fireflies come to this river when summer comes. (similar effect: Fireflies flying around this river .....)
夏が来ると、いたるところにゴキブリが出てきます。(なつがくると, いたるところにゴキブリがでてきます。)
Cockroaches appear everywhere when summer comes. (similar effect: You could see cockroaches everywhere ...... )


3. になると、楓の葉がくなる。(あきになると、かえでのはがあかくなる、)OK
The leaves of the maple redden when autumn comes.

4. になると、はだんだんくなってきました。(ふゆになると、ひるはだんだん短くなってきました。) X
Daytime is shortening gradually when winter comes .
短い> mijikai
冬になると, 日がだんだん短くなります。
Daytime is shortening gradually when winter comes.
冬になったので、日(が/は)だんだん短くなってきました。
Daytime has gradually become shorter since winter came.


5. 世各地に行することは私の夢想です。(せかいかくちにりょこうすることはわたしのむそうです。)夢想 X
Travelling to all parts of the world is my dream.
世界各地に旅行することは私の夢です。
or 世界各地を旅行するのが私の夢なんです。
or 世界各地に旅行するのは、私の夢です。


6. 毎日運すると健康な体を保つ。(まいにちうんどうするとけんこうなからだをたもつ。)X
Exercise daily can help to keep our body healthy.
毎日運動[すると/すれば]、健康な体を保てる/保つことができる。

7. 彼は大学生の時、父になれたので、大学をめました。そして、会社できました。(かれはだいがくせいのとき、ちちにしなれたので、だいがくを やめました。そして、かいしゃではたらきました。)OK
When he was an undergraduate, because of his father’s death, he dropped out of university. Then he worked in a company.

8. 美術でエジプ卜の展覧会をしています。(びじゅつかんでエジプ卜のてんらんかいをしています。)
There is an Egyptian exhibition in the Art Museum.
美術館でエジプトの展覧会をやっています。
or 美術館でエジプトの展覧会を開催しています。(びじゅつかんでエジプ卜のてんらんかいをかいさいしています。)

From Coco-san:
父は会社を経営しています。(ちちはかいしゃをけいえいしています → 父は会社をやって(い)ます。(ちちはかいしゃをやって(い)ます。)
フランス語を勉強しています。(フランスご{French language}べんきょうしています。) → フランス語をやって(い)ます。(フランスごをやって(い)ます。)


9. あなたは田中さんの誕生日に招されていますか?(あなたはたなかさんのたんじょうびにしょうたいされていますか?) OK
招待 【しょうたい】 (n,vs) invitation
Have you been invited to Mr. Tanaka’s birthday party ?

10. 母の話は意味深いです。(ははのはなしはいみぶかいです。)X
Mother's conversation is beyond the understanding of an average mind.
母の話は、大変意義深いものでした。(ははのはなしは、たいへんいぎぶかいものでした。)
From Coco-san:
母親の話というのは、意義深い。 (generalize)
母親の話というのは、意味が深い。
母親の話というのは、奥が深い。
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Xになると、SがV

Postby coco » Sun 05.06.2007 1:50 am

SSさんは漢字には問題なさそうですね^^
文章もよくできていると思います。
少し気がついたことを書きますが、先生の方が詳しくかつ正確に説明してくださると思うので、必ず先生に確認してから理解するようにしてください。 ;)

9. あなたは田中さんの誕生日に招待されていますか?
3. 秋になると、楓の葉が赤くなる。

このふたつは完璧です。 :)

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X(future)になると、S + V.

1. 春になると、花はみんな咲いている。
season になると、S + V(present tense) is a basic form, I think.
Generally 春になると is used during 秋 to 冬. So it not appropriate to use てform here because て form expresses "continuing action" at the present of telling(= when the speaker have spoken).

春になると、(すべての)花が咲く。
When spring comes, all (kind of) flowers bloom. (?)
春になると、花がみんな咲く。
are simple.

4. 冬になると、昼はだんだん短くなってきました
same てform problem. If you 'd like 短くなってきました,
冬になったので、昼(が/は)だんだん短くなってきました。would be fine.
Daytime is getting shorter since winter has come. (?)

If you'd like to use 冬になると, 昼がだんだん短くなります。would work as a general consideration.
We also use が長くなる/が短くなる.
日 itself has a meaning of "daytime".
In this context, I prefer 日 rather than 昼.
冬になると、日がだんだん短くなります。
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蛍の例文は難しいので、ポストを分けます。
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby ss » Sun 05.06.2007 9:38 am

ここさん、教えてくださってどうもありがとう。文を修正しました。
(また、私は先生と討論するつもりです。^^)

励ましの言葉ありがとうございました. でも、怒らないで (don't whack me pls), I don't know how to phrase this sentence to proper English :|
冬になったので、日(が/は)だんだん短くなってきました。
Daytime has been shortening gradually since winter came ??

And hrmm. ..... これは日本語でどういますか >>
We see fireflies everywhere when summer comes.
夏が来ると、いたる所でホタルを見ることができます。 ← これでいいですか。

その他の例文ついてPandionに討論しましょうか?
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby terence_hideyoshi » Sun 05.06.2007 7:33 pm

Hmm.. Guys, I don't whether if I post this would be out of topic or not? Anyway, here is my question: I got back my recent test from my Japanese school, however I did very badly, indeed too bad that I had became panick that I might fail my next test. Hence, would like to ask whether is there anything that will be helpful to me. Therefore, hoping to have some recommendations from you guys, preferably books or newspapers.
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby tanuki » Sun 05.06.2007 7:44 pm

terence_hideyoshi, you might get more answers if you create your own thread and give us more details about which level you're in.
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby terence_hideyoshi » Mon 05.07.2007 10:09 pm

tanuki wrote:
terence_hideyoshi, you might get more answers if you create your own thread and give us more details about which level you're in.


Oh. hmm.. Actually I made another post in one of the thread (I think in Reading thread), but I din't open a new thread as I think I shouldn't be that selfish, moreover I'm just asking openly to everyone so that whoever facing the same problem as I do will see it in a common thread instead of multiple thread.
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RE: Related curricula – 3kyuu study group

Postby Infidel » Mon 05.07.2007 10:16 pm

but I din't open a new thread as I think I shouldn't be that selfish,


The selfish part is butting into someone else's conversation and expecting them to stop what they were doing and pay attention to you instead.

It's also generally considered rude to ignore friendly advice.

Go read the faq before presenting your opinion that common standards of ettiquitedon't apply to you.
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