Kansaiben

[Void Dragon]

anyone know of a site/book for kansaiben? All of the sites/books I can find are strictly nihon-standard/tokyoben.

Things I think I know I want to check:

ya replaces yo

wakarahen = wakaranai (don't know what wakaru is, though)

[Nibble]

You want Colloquial Kansai Japanese:

http://www.thejapanshop.com/product.php?productid=16150&cat=0&page=1

[Mike Cash]

I hope the person who asked me why I find the foreigners who want to learn Kansai-ben even though they don't live in Kansai are a tiresome bunch is watching this thread.

[Yudan Taiteki]

Nobody ever wants to learn Tochigi-ben.

[Gundaetiapo]

I hope the person who asked me why I find the foreigners who want to learn Kansai-ben even though they don't live in Kansai are a tiresome bunch is watching this thread.

Hehe, I am. As my sub hundred post count indicates, I'm still learning the ways of the tiresome.

Nobody ever wants to learn Tochigi-ben.

Didn't find Tochigi ben mentioned at the Wikipedia.

[hungryhotei]

Gundaetiapo wrote:
Didn't find Tochigi ben mentioned at the Wikipedia.

It has a nice page in Japanese wikipedia though.

[clay]

Or how about Fukui-ben - or even better Fukuiben with voice!

つるつるいっぱい！ = Fill 'er up! (drink)
ほやほや =　そうそう
あ、ほっか = あ、そうか (sounds like アホか - unfortunately I automatically usually say 「あ、ほっか」 instead of 「そうか」)

[Yudan Taiteki]

That happens to me too with a few thing -- I use あきれる for "to get tired of something" instead of あきる, and I sometimes use うら for うしろ (both Tochigi-ben features). Both of those sound like just gaijin mistakes, though.

[AJBryant]

I'd just like to post a little love for Nagoya-ben.

Tony

[Oracle]

ooh! Then I'll have to plug Kanazawa-ben! Here's a link with some short samples so everyone can hear the fun they're missing out on

http://www.city.kanazawa.ishikawa.jp/hougen/setubi.html

[Laura517]

AJBryant wrote:
I'd just like to post a little love for Nagoya-ben.

Tony

Then I'll have to throw out some love to Nagoya-ben's little cousin* Mikawa-ben

どうすごい！！



*I don't actually know if they're related, except being regionally close.

[shiohigari]

Me too. Good old Mikawa-ben! My second language. じゃん、だら、りん。

[two_heads_talking]

TOHOKU-ben FTW

[Dehitay]

Void Dragon wrote:
anyone know of a site/book for kansaiben? All of the sites/books I can find are strictly nihon-standard/tokyoben.

Things I think I know I want to check:

ya replaces yo

wakarahen = wakaranai (don't know what wakaru is, though)

I can't find any good sites about Kansai-ben geared towards English speakers, but I can at least help with those 2 questions. the 'ya' particle is the informal couple in Kansai-ben (in Kantou-ben, it's 'da'). And yes, wakarahen would be the Kansai-ben way of saying wakaranai.

Mike Cash wrote:
I hope the person who asked me why I find the foreigners who want to learn Kansai-ben even though they don't live in Kansai are a tiresome bunch is watching this thread.

I'm pretty sure you know, but just in case you don't, I can explain. It's very similar to why people in the US will imitate accents like the South, England, or Australia. It sets them apart from the ordinary. Just another part of the struggle to be different.

Also something that may not be as immediately obvious is the number of people who have Kansai friends. As popular as pen-pal sites and the like are, few of the people I tend to talk to will last for long. The only 2 people who I can regularly talk to come from Nagasaki and Osaka (though right now they're living in Canada and Tokyo respectively so neither one is using their native dialect).

sidenote: I know Nagasaki isn't part of Kinki. That was more excess information than me trying to prove a point.

[keatonatron]

Mike Cash wrote:
I hope the person who asked me why I find the foreigners who want to learn Kansai-ben even though they don't live in Kansai are a tiresome bunch is watching this thread.

It is helpful if you can at least understand Kansai-ben (at least half of my classmates come from Kansai, and their various dialects pop up quite often).

However, it really is an advanced topic and should be left for when one actually has a need to learn it.

Ya is actually the Kansai version of da. Darou becomes yarou, datta becomes yatta, etc.